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Crom The Pale · Feb 23, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

As has been stated a million times, without a screen shot of a Max Req 7 INSCRIBED item to post this discution is really pointless.

If they drop and the drop rate is so low that only 1 player in all of GW is likely to get one each month, then it really might as well not drop at all.

Pyro maniac · Feb 23, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

As has been stated a million times, without a screen shot of a Max Req 7 INSCRIBED item to post this discution is really pointless.

They have never dropped

we are talking about req 7 max non-inscripables here. They dropped 'alot' before nightfall, however when NF was released none was found anymore (not in Elona, but also not in Tyria/Cantha)

Yawgmoth · Feb 23, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

An evidence would be any WHITE max req.7 item with a skin that didn't exist before Nightfall release.
Before NF white max req.7s were pretty common (like white max req.8s are now) but not a single one is confirned to have dropped after NF.

I'd say that the whole question was probably just misunderstood or not investigated closely enough. The key word 'max' was not in the question nor answer. Not even getting into what iterests us the most - whether there's a possibility for a gold one to drop / or any color inscribable.

This type of answer we got tells us nothing. A much better question would be : what happened at Nightfall release update - did they intend to remove the possibility of req.7 max dropping or maybe they wanted to make them much more rare "super rare" and they made them so rare that none have been found or even some unintended feature blocks them from dropping.

Cale Roughstar · Feb 23, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

As I recall, there was a SS posted not too long ago where a guy had found some req7 Max Gold Chromium Shards while vanquishing Imperial Sanctum. I haven't been able to find the thread yet, but oh well. Believe it or not.

Cacheelma · Feb 23, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Shakkara

That is if you're going to sell it. I sure wouldn't sell them and I don't care if they're blue/purple/gold... I actually use a few purple items such as a fiery gladius, who cares about the color?

And you want to use req7 non-gold max items because?

Can't squeeze 2 extra points into your 4/2/6/7/7/7 build?

My warrior use req13 max purple sword with good skin. I max out the swordmastery for damage (16), which is the point of using a sword as a warrior anyway.

With that said; who cares about req?

cthulhu reborn · Feb 23, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Shakkara

That is if you're going to sell it. I sure wouldn't sell them and I don't care if they're blue/purple/gold... I actually use a few purple items such as a fiery gladius, who cares about the color?

Well you are one of a rare breed. Most people want golds as much as they want brand names in real life. Does it really make sense? From a logical point of view no, but then how many people apply logic in every aspect of their life?

When you have a purple fiery gladius and people ask you if it's a gold and you say "no it's purple" people will lose all interested and not be impressed. People want to be impressed and impress others. It's like a genetic defect but I guess it does make life more interesting.

If you are happy with a purple one, more power to you. For most people though...not the same...

Sha Noran · Feb 23, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

The power traders, the pro-pvers, the trade forum bugs, the chest runners, the old pros, and a year of Kamadan/LA/Ascalon trade spam are not all wrong at the same time.

Gaile may be telling the truth, but if so, "John" is either wrong or being intentionally dodgy. Whether the system is working as intended or not, however, the fact remains: there is no such thing as a max, req. 7 and inscribable item, and there have been no new max damage, gold and req. 7 drops of any kind since the release of Guild Wars: Nightfall.

Malice Black · Feb 23, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

The power traders, the pro-pvers, the trade forum bugs, the chest runners, the old pros, and a year of Kamadan/LA/Ascalon trade spam are not all wrong at the same time.

Gaile may be telling the truth, but if so, "John" is either wrong or being intentionally dodgy. Whether the system is working as intended or not, however, the fact remains: there is no such thing as a max, req. 7 and inscribable item, and there have been no new max damage, gold and req. 7 drops of any kind since the release of Guild Wars: Nightfall.

Says it all.

Until someone of notable trade worth posts a SS to prove otherwise, this all remains a rumor.

zwei2stein · Feb 23, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

because everyone that plays guild wars joined GWG, so they can be bad mouthed by you and all the other elitist.

Five degres of spearation: Everyone knows everyone though average 5-6 person chain.

Given that, and given nature of interent, if something notable like r7 drop happens, we will now even if person for which it dropped never heard of guru and noone here knew he existed.

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Originally Posted by DDL

Also, zwie2stein: droprates CANNOT be that hard to code. Seriously. Anything with any non-zero percentage chance WILL appear.

They already did mistakes in droprate with UW Keys and Destroyer cores. They did mistakes that prenvted some stuff from dropping at all. Its all in game update news

Lady S Shiva · Feb 23, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

ppl can't afford, could care less...

Sha Noran · Feb 23, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

I just thought I would come back and cite Drago Stoneherder's mysterious 3rd bow (Stoneherder's Flatbow), which was not added to the game until June 1st, 2007, after not being in the game for 21 months, as perfect evidence of incorrect drop rate percentages. Though for a very long time it was "common knowledge" that Drago was the only Sorrow's boss with two greens instead of three, it only came to light that the bow existed when it's stats were listed as changed on a list of altered greens in a game update, even though the bow had never dropped... it turned out the bow had been in the game the whole time, and the drop rate was simply wrong so that it dropped 0% of the time... or so they said when it was added.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 23, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Hmm r7?

Haven't seen one of those since just proph when I got a white one...

jaeharys targaryen · Feb 23, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

I thought the general consensus, in previous threads, was that they still dropped, just not in Nightfall or GW:EN (hence no inscribable r7's)?

this is what i thought for a long time as well

Shakkara · Feb 23, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

And you want to use req7 non-gold max items because?

Can't squeeze 2 extra points into your 4/2/6/7/7/7 build?

My warrior use req13 max purple sword with good skin. I max out the swordmastery for damage (16), which is the point of using a sword as a warrior anyway.

With that said; who cares about req?

R7 weapons are stupid, R7 shields are godly.

Swordmanship/Axe Mastery 12+X
Other skill 11
Strength/Tactics 6+1

I own both a R7 strength and tactics shield

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

Well you are one of a rare breed. Most people want golds as much as they want brand names in real life. Does it really make sense? From a logical point of view no, but then how many people apply logic in every aspect of their life?

When you have a purple fiery gladius and people ask you if it's a gold and you say "no it's purple" people will lose all interested and not be impressed. People want to be impressed and impress others. It's like a genetic defect but I guess it does make life more interesting.

If you are happy with a purple one, more power to you. For most people though...not the same...

If I want to impress people I pull out my chimeric prism. Which is a BLUE item

Darkobra · Feb 23, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I'll say it again; Does it MATTER if it still drops or not?

The fact that there isn't ONE of it existed for all of us to see; THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

I mean, sure sure it has a chance to drop, but nobody gets it (somehow). So what? Req7 can't drop = nobody has it. Req7 can drop but hasn't yet (to those who can show it to us) = nobody can see it = same result as though it can't drop.

What's the point arguing over it? So you can fool some req7 sellers to lower the price?

Seriously?

When the entire game of Guild Wars actually comes to Guru and the entire history of people actually know that a req 7 weapon that's white isn't just fodder for the merchant (I'd still do the same), you'd have a very valid point.

manitoba1073 · Feb 23, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

The question that was asked was simple. It was can req 7 max golds still drop or not? That was the question asked. And now we got official word from that question and you guys are still trying to play it off. I know the question because I was the one that asked for the official answer.

Molock · Feb 23, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Why is it so hard to believe that r7's still drop? Geez... John said they do, so they probably do drop. Just because you haven't got one (or have some and don't want them to lose value.. even though they won't) doesn't mean that Gaile and John are bs'ing you...

dargon · Feb 23, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I'll be honest, i've never gotten a r7 item, a couple r8's but never a 7. However, even if I did, I sure wouldn't be bragging about it here, my inbox would be filled with posts of people offering to buy it, the threads would become flame fests of 'Photoshopped' etc. Not worth the grief. ANet says they drop, I'm fine with that. ANet says they are incredibly rare, i'm fine with that also. This rush to call people retards, to say that the developers know not what they speak of, etc etc etc is pure immature bullshit. Guru has approximately 150000 user accounts, lets say roughly 75% of those are active and the rest either inactive, banned or simply lurkers, so we now have 112000 people who post, not all of them post in or even read the same threads as everyone else, so lets say 90000 people will at some point view a thread about r7 weapons. ANet has sold roughly 4000000 copies of the game, but most of those have gone to previously existing accounts, so lets say 2000000 accounts. In order to be fairly certain of one of those 90000 accounts to get an r7 item, the drop rate would have to be pretty high. We know that's not the case, as nobody here has seen one recently, so either the rate is incredibly low, by which I mean 1 in 15000000 etc, or they simply don't drop. Just because the odds say 1 in 100, etc, doesn't mean if you kill 100 mobs, you'll get the drop, each kill is still only 1 in 100 chance, the numbers don't change, the more you kill.

zwei2stein · Feb 23, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by dargon

... the numbers don't change, the more you kill.

Yes they do.

if you kill 100 of whatver with 1% chace of success each, your total succes chance would be about 63% (i might be terribly wrong with this math ofc)

lets bring forth some assumptions:

say, we have 50 000 players logged in at all times and one item drops for player every 4 minutes. Thats 18 000 000 items generated each day. (it is very consevative number, imho)

that makes 10 000 000 000 items dropped since NF was released.

Someone can do proper lamba hypothesis calculations about it is but i dare to say from top of my head with 95% of "sureness" that drop rate is worse than one-in-1 000 000 000

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Best thing is, imho, to add special message whenever suche item is generated, aside useless "x y z has reached no-life tier of grind title" broadcast we could se "x y z picked up superuniquephatloot, the r7 smiting bo staff."

Devs of some other games did so to quell BS calls on randomness of some stuff.

kerpall · Feb 23, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

The question that was asked was simple. It was can req 7 max golds still drop or not? That was the question asked. And now we got official word from that question and you guys are still trying to play it off. I know the question because I was the one that asked for the official answer.

I remember the last thread

, there were some jerks on there 100% sure they didnt drop.

Like i said multiple times "their drop rate is rare, because no body farms in prophs or factions anyways".

Thankyou for proving my point, that its just the rare drop rate!